North Ogden City EDC Committee Meeting 18 January 2011 Page 1
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MINUTES
The North Ogden Economic Development Committee (EDC) met on January 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm in the Council Chambers of the Municipal Building, 505 East 2600 North, North Ogden City, UT 84414. Notice of time, place and agenda of the meeting was posted on the bulletin board at the municipal office and posted to the Utah State Website on January 14, 2011.
Present:
Richard G. Harris Mayor (arrived at 6:45)
Brent Taylor Council Member (on the phone)
Edward Dickie City Manager
Bruce Catanzaro Planning Commission Member
Dave Hulme Planning Commission Member
Rich Brewer Business leader/resident
Jan DeBloois Community Member
Charles Lindquist Business leader/resident (arrived at 5:45)
Shawn Maynard North Ogden business owner
Jenice Jones North Ogden business owner
Kerry Walker North Ogden business owner
Excused:
Dave Carlson City Attorney
Keith Foulger Community Member
Staff:
Craig Barker
Jennifer Thomas
1. Welcome:
Ed Dickie, City Manager welcomed those in attendance as he opened the meeting at 5:30pm.
2. Update on the survey and the Writing Sub-Committee
Brent Taylor said they are still waiting on the results from survey. He said Dr. Murray has had other obligation to take care of, but should have them completed by next week. Council Member Taylor said the writing sub-committee doesn’t want to meet again until after they get the results. Mr. Brewer asked Council Member Taylor if he will be at the next meeting. Council Member Taylor said he should be depending on when the next meeting is scheduled. With nothing further the Committee moved on to item three on the agenda.
3. Update on GovQA
Jennifer Thomas, Planning Technician, said she has provided the Committee with a timeline on when the GovQA will be up and running. She said she had a meeting with WebQA to go over
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expectations and a timeline. She said she has already provided a list of businesses and a directory, so they are ahead of schedule. She said they will probably be able to get website up and running by the 16th of February. She said she is trying to figure out how to gather businesses to train them. Mr. Dickie said she could go to each business but it would take forever. He said that she may be able to go to a North View Business Alliance meeting.
Mr. Brewer asked if this is for the City Shop’s. Mr. Dickie said this enables businesses to have a link on the City’s website. Mr. Maynard said the North View Business Alliance can set up a special meeting for this purpose. He said that Mrs. Thomas could come and be the City Liaison for the week. He said it would be helpful and productive if they could beta it. He said a few of the business owners could go through the whole process first, and they would be able to help teach others. Mrs. Thomas said there is a possibility a few business owners could be included in her administration training. Mr. Maynard asked how long the training would be. Mrs. Thomas replied she didn’t know. Mr. Dickie said this part will be to see how it all works, but Mrs. Thomas will be the one managing it. Mr. Dickie stated that it would be helpful for him to learn it as a business owner so he could help answer questions during the business training process.
Mr. Maynard said he assumes it is like Google Places. Mrs. Thomas replied that she thinks so, but she doesn’t know everything about it right now because they are just getting started. She said she has received a lot of good information and can pass it on to businesses so they will have a better idea of what the City is doing to help them.
Mr. Dickie asked Mrs. Thomas to explain to the Committee how the GovQA will help businesses. She said that she has been noticing that many North Ogden businesses do not have websites. She said if people are doing a search for something like daycares in North Ogden, they will not be able to find information about the businesses very easily unless they have a website. She said the City of North Ogden is going to have a link on its website that provides residents easy access to information on all of the businesses in North Ogden. She said the businesses will be able to customize the website that the City is providing to them. She said they can also link it with Twitter, My Space, Facebook, or their own website.
Mr. Dickie stated this will be another tool to try to help businesses market themselves. He said they will monitor profanity or anything that might be inappropriate. Mr. Maynard said they had a meeting today and determined there are about 307 home-based businesses out of the 450 or so businesses in North Ogden. Mr. Dickie said they are not putting home-based businesses on there right now. They can change it later, but right now it is only for the commercial businesses. He said they want to get this going first and then they may consider adding the home-based businesses later. Mr. Maynard said many of the home-base businesses don’t have anything so this will be a lot better for them. Mr. Hulme said this will provide them with the incentive to get a license. Mrs. Thomas said she is using a list of businesses that are registered with the City. She said she compared her list with North View’s list and there are a lot on that list that are not on hers. Mr. Maynard said he needs an updated list from the City. Mrs. Thomas said she will forward him what she sent to WebQA.
Mr. Catanzaro asked if this will be linked through the City’s website. Mr. Dickie replied yes and there will be an icon on the website. Mr. Dickie said hopefully people will take advantage of it and put coupons and other things on it. He said he hopes that residents will use it also. Mrs.
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Thomas said they will market it further to the residents after the businesses have been set up. Mr. Maynard said they need to set it all up before they begin promoting it.
Mrs. Thomas said they need to get the businesses in the right categories and sub-categories. She said she has had a difficult time determining what category to put some of the businesses in. She said they can edit it later. Mr. Dickie asked the Committee to talk to other business owners and pass out the information on what we are doing. Mr. Maynard asked if they are stuck with the name GovQA. Mrs. Thomas said she didn’t know if they have to keep that name, but will find out. Mr. Dickie said he isn’t sure they have to actually use that name. With nothing further they moved on to item number four on the agenda.
4. Review Proposed Ordinance Changes for Free-Standing Signs in Commercial Zones
Craig Barker said the Committee has a copy of the proposed sign ordinance that will be sent to the Planning Commission. He said the current sign ordinance has verbiage and pictures to provide examples. He explained that when changing an ordinance they have to go through many pages to make sure they are not leaving anything out. He said the proposed ordinance and the mission statement will be on the Planning Commission’s agenda two weeks from tomorrow. Mr. Barker said that meeting will be held on February 2, 2011.
Mr. Barker said City Council has passed the ordinance changes for outdoor displays and window signs, banner displays, special events signs, and portable signs. He said they will be putting all of the information into a letter to send to the businesses. He said he suspects there might be some enforcement issues with banners. He said he has seen many banners put up and left as permanent signage. He said Code Enforcement is almost ready to enforce that. He said zoning enforcement will be under the civil side rather than the criminal side. He said it will go through our Justice of the Peace court system under the Civil Court, instead of having a different judge to do that. He said once people see that the City is utilizing that type of system he thinks there will not be too many violations. He added that Civil Court is much easier because the rules of criminal evidence don’t apply. He said they will be giving a “fix-it-ticket”. The Code Enforcement Officer will write a ticket that gives a person 10 days to fix the violation.
Mr. Maynard asked if the Code Enforcement Officer will help them come into compliance. Mr. Barker replied yes. Mr. Dickie said these are some pretty big changes. Mr. Hulme said they should call it a recommendation for compliance. Mr. Maynard said he hopes the Code Enforcement Officer would have the form that needs to be filled out; help them fill it out and brings it in to be filed. Mr. Barker said he isn’t sure they will be able to do that because the Building Inspector also is the Code Enforcement Officer. Mr. Dickie said they do keep him busy. Mr. Hulme said that he can certainly provide contact information. Mr. Barker replied yes. Mr. Dickie said the City has taken large measures to make it easier for both the business owners and the City. Mr. Barker said their goal isn’t to punish people but keep the City looking nice. Mr. Maynard asked if the Committee can see the letter before they hand it out to anyone. Mr. Barker replied yes.
Mr. Maynard asked if they have addressed vehicle parking yet. Mr. Barker replied no. He said he doesn’t know what kind of trailer Mr. Maynard has, but it looks like a travel trailer and he cannot store a travel trailer in his parking lot. Mr. Barker said travel trailers must be stored in specific
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areas and that doesn’t include parking lots, streets, or on the grass. Mr. Maynard asked where he is allowed to store it. Mr. Barker said most people store their travel trailers at their home or in a storage unit. Mr. Dickie said they are not getting into that right now.
Mr. Dickie clarified that the amended sign ordinance is being brought to the Economic Development Committee first, and then it will be sent to the Planning Commission. Mr. Barker replied yes and staff is working on adding some sign graphics to it. Mr. Dickie asked if it will be on the agenda for the January 19, 2011 meeting. Mr. Barker replied no it will be on the February 2, 2011 meeting.
Mr. Dickie said the January 19, 2011 meeting should be pretty interesting. Mr. Barker explained that the Planning Commission has completed a lot with the entertainment overlay zone. He said they have already mapped the area and created a list of uses in the underlying zone. He said Carl Cook from the Boyer Company will be attending the meeting to speak with the Commission about the entertainment overlay zone. Mr. Barker said they have begun to put standards in place. Mr. Barker explained that the overlay zone will include the south end of the City boundary all the way up to the King’s Shopping Plaza. He said that they are looking at creating different standards for parking, building, lighting, etc.
Mr. Dickie said this group has made a lot of changes in the City’s ordinances. He said he cannot believe how quickly they have changed things. Mr. Barker said the Planning Commission has been reviewing a lot of ordinances. He said that they are working on the building height regulations right now. He said they are also proposing changes to allow chickens in all zones. Mr. Dickie said not only has the Planning Commission been reviewing the ones that they have been addressing they have been going through a lot of other ordinances.
Mr. Maynard asked if they could look at the second page of the sign ordinance. Mr. Maynard said it is unclear. He said it is written to sound like the maximum height will be 20 feet even for unique signs. He said they agreed if someone wants to make a unique sign they have the ability to make it giant because the sign is unique. Mr. Hulme said those numbers do not refer to the unique signs. Mr. Maynard said it looks like it does and fears that later there will be an interpretation issue. Commission Hulme said it says the sign height and area will be determined by the Planning Commission. Mr. Maynard said it seems to say the maximum is 20 feet in height. Mr. Barker said they can clarify that. He said they can add that it is permitted by conditional use permit. Commission Hulme said they can take those two lines and put them below number seven on the ordinance. Commissioner Hulme said he likes the language on the cladding and manmade materials. Mr. Dickie asked if there are any other questions or concerns.
5. Approval of December 7, 2010 EDC Meeting Minutes
Mrs. Thomas explained that they have a copy of the suggested changes made by Mayor Harris.
Mrs. Jones moved to approve the minutes of the December 7 with Mayor Harris’s suggested changes, 2011 BDC meeting minutes. Mr. Brewer seconded the motion.
All Members voted aye.
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Motion passed
6. Next Meeting.
Mr. Taylor said he will be available the first, second, or fourth week of February. The Commission agreed on the first Tuesday the 1st at 5:30pm.
7. Public/Committee Comments
Mrs. Jones said the North View Business Alliance has changed their name to North Ogden Business Alliance. Mr. Dickie said that should help out a lot. Mrs. Jones said most of the clientele comes from North Ogden. Mrs. Jones said they will have more pull with the City behind them. She said it should help everybody. Mr. Dickie said now they need to have the business owners build homes in North Ogden.
Mr. Dickie asked if there are any other comments from the Committee. Mr. Taylor asked if they could come up with a catchy name for the GovQA. Mr. Dickie said he agrees and thinks the Committee should start thinking about an alternative to the ShopQA icon. Mr. Hulme asked if they can get some screen captures of other cities that are using the ShopQA. Mr. Barker said that another city uses a shopping cart that was on fire. Mr. Dickie said this group can come with suggestions and Mrs. Thomas can find out if they have to use the ShopQA logo. Mr. Hulme suggested using a shopping cart with hiking boots and a stick. Mrs. Jones said the problem with using a shopping cart is that most people think they can spend their money right there. Mrs. Jones said it may be better to use the Spend It in North Ogden. Mr. Dickie turned the meeting over to Mayor Harris at 6:09 pm.
Mayor Harris asked if there are any other comments. Mr. Maynard asked if there is an agenda for next meeting. He said they have a couple of things that have been tabled. Mayor Harris asked what items those are. Mr. Maynard replied that they have not finished vehicle signs and where travel trailers can be parked. He said that should be included on the next agenda. Mr. Dickie said they need to also include an update from Council Member Taylor. He said they can also talk about the GovQA and any updates from the Planning Commission.
Mr. Maynard asked when they were going to have a budget meeting that will allocate funds to the Economic Development Committee. Mayor Harris said they are just starting the process. He said they will have an all-day retreat sometime in February. Mayor Harris said they will have public hearings as they go through that process and it will be adopted in June. Mr. Maynard asked about the disproportionate fees and where those funds are going. Mr. Dickie said that is up to Council to decide where that money goes. Mr. Maynard asked if there is going to be a time when they will be able to talk about programs. Mayor Harris asked if that will be an agenda item for next time. Mr. Maynard asked if it would be appropriate. Mayor Harris replied yes it will be appropriate to discuss it at the next meeting. Mr. Maynard asked if they can get the list of what they came up with during their brainstorming session. Mr. Taylor said it will be a good time to discuss that because they will have the report on the survey back from Weber State University and will have a really good idea of what the residents want.
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Mrs. Jones said she found a blog written by a family in Seattle who has committed to shopping locally for an entire year. She said the woman even researched where to buy gas. She said the woman writes about their experiences with the local businesses. She said the woman also provides information and a link to the businesses. She said it encourages people to shop locally. Mr. Dickie said it probably would be inconvenient at first but after you get into the grove it’s probably not that hard. Mrs. Jones said the URL is onelocalfamily.com. She said that it would be neat if they could find a family in our community that would commit to doing that and to write about it. She said they could put it on the City website. Mr. Dickie said more people are trying to shop local. He said that he has noticed even Starbucks is buying small corner coffee shops and not putting up their big logo signs. Mrs. Jones said she found the website through Shop Local Utah. She said the website provides a graph on how much money stays in the community and how much goes out.
8. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 6:17 pm.
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EDC Secretary
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The North Ogden Economic Development Committee (EDC) met on January 18, 2011 at 5:30 3 pm in the Council Chambers of the Municipal Building, 505 East 2600 North, North Ogden City, 4 UT 84414. Notice of time, place and agenda of the meeting was posted on the bulletin board at 5 the municipal office and posted to the Utah State Website on January 14, 2011. 6
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Richard G. Harris Mayor (arrived at 6:45) 10
Brent Taylor Council Member (on the phone) 11
Edward Dickie City Manager 12
Bruce Catanzaro Planning Commission Member 13
Dave Hulme Planning Commission Member 14
Rich Brewer Business leader/resident 15
Jan DeBloois Community Member 16
Charles Lindquist Business leader/resident (arrived at 5:45) 17
Shawn Maynard North Ogden business owner 18
Jenice Jones North Ogden business owner 19
Kerry Walker North Ogden business owner 20
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Excused: 22
Dave Carlson City Attorney 23
Keith Foulger Community Member 24
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Staff: 26
Craig Barker 27
Jennifer Thomas 28
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Ed Dickie, City Manager, welcomed those in attendance and opened the meeting at 5:30pm. 32
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2. Update on the survey and the Writing Sub-Committee 34
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Council Member Taylor said they are still waiting on the results from survey. He said Dr. 36 Murray has had other obligations to take care of, but should have that information completed by 37 next week. Council Member Taylor said the writing sub-committee doesn’t want to meet again 38 until after they get the results. Mr. Brewer asked Council Member Taylor if he will be at the next 39 meeting. Council Member Taylor said he should be depending on when the next meeting is 40 scheduled. With nothing further the Committee moved on to item three on the agenda. 41
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3. Update on GovQA 43
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Jennifer Thomas, Planning Technician, said she has provided the Committee with a timeline on 45 when the GovQA will be up and running. She said she had a meeting with WebQA to go over 46
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expectations and a timeline. She said she has already provided a list of businesses and a 47 directory, so they are ahead of schedule. She said they will probably be able to get the website up 48 and running by the 16th of February. She said she is trying to figure out how to get businesses 49 together to train them. Mr. Dickie said she could go to each business but it would take forever. 50 He said that she may be able to go to a North View Business Alliance meeting. 51
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Mr. Brewer asked if this is for the City Shops. Mr. Dickie said this enables businesses to have a 53 link on the City’s website. Mr. Maynard said the North View Business Alliance can set up a 54 special meeting for this purpose. He said that Mrs. Thomas could come and be the City Liaison 55 for the week. He said it would be helpful and productive if they could be at it. He said a few of 56 the business owners could go through the whole process first, and they would be able to help 57 teach others. Mrs. Thomas said there is a possibility a few business owners could be included in 58 her administration training. Mr. Maynard asked how long the training would be. Mrs. Thomas 59 replied she didn’t know. Mr. Dickie said this part will be to see how it all works, but Mrs. 60 Thomas will be the one managing it. Mr. Dickie stated that it would be helpful for Mr. Maynard 61 to learn it as a business owner so he could help answer questions during the business training 62 process. 63
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Mr. Maynard said he assumes it is like Google Places. Mrs. Thomas replied that she thinks so, 65 but she doesn’t know everything about it right now because they are just getting started. She said 66 she has received a lot of good information and can pass it on to businesses so they will have a 67 better idea of what the City is doing to help them. 68
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Mr. Dickie asked Mrs. Thomas to explain to the Committee how the GovQA will help 70 businesses. She said that she has been noticing that many North Ogden businesses do not have 71 websites. She said if people are doing a search for something like daycares in North Ogden, they 72 will not be able to find information about the businesses very easily unless they have a website. 73 She said the City of North Ogden is going to have a link on its website that provides residents 74 easy access to information on all of the businesses in North Ogden. She said the businesses will 75 be able to customize the website that the City is providing to them. She said they can also link it 76 with Twitter, My Space, Facebook or their own website. 77
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Mr. Dickie stated this will be another tool to try to help businesses market themselves. He said 79 they will monitor profanity or anything that might be inappropriate. Mr. Maynard said they had a 80 meeting today and determined there are about 307 home-based businesses out of the 450 or so 81 businesses in North Ogden. Mr. Dickie said they are not putting home-based businesses on there 82 right now. They can change it later, but right now it is only for the commercial businesses. He 83 said they want to get this going first and then they may consider adding the home-based 84 businesses later. Mr. Maynard said many of the home-based businesses don’t have anything so 85 this will be a lot better for them. Mr. Hulme said this will provide them with the incentive to get 86 a license. Mrs. Thomas said she is using a list of businesses that are registered with the City. She 87 said she compared her list with North View’s list and there are a lot on that list that are not on 88 hers. Mr. Maynard said he needs an updated list from the City. Mrs. Thomas said she will 89 forward him what she sent to WebQA. 90
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Mr. Catanzaro asked if this will be linked through the City’s website. Mr. Dickie replied yes and 92 said there will be an icon on the website. Mr. Dickie said hopefully people will take advantage of 93
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it and put coupons and other things on it. He said he hopes that residents will use it also. Mrs. 94 Thomas said they will market it further to the residents after the businesses have been set up. Mr. 95 Maynard said they need to set it all up before they begin promoting it. 96
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Mrs. Thomas said they need to get the businesses in the right categories and sub-categories. She 98 said she has had a difficult time determining what category to put some of the businesses in. She 99 said they can edit it later. Mr. Dickie asked the Committee to talk to other business owners and 100 pass out the information on what we are doing. Mr. Maynard asked if they are stuck with the 101 name GovQA. Mrs. Thomas said she didn’t know if they have to keep that name, but will find 102 out. Mr. Dickie said he isn’t sure they have to actually use that name. With nothing further they 103 moved on to item number four on the agenda. 104
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Craig Barker said the Committee has a copy of the proposed sign ordinance that will be sent to 108 the Planning Commission. He said the current sign ordinance has verbiage and pictures to 109 provide examples. He explained that when changing an ordinance they have to go through many 110 pages to make sure they are not leaving anything out. He said the proposed ordinance and the 111 mission statement will be on the Planning Commission’s agenda two weeks from tomorrow. Mr. 112 Barker said that meeting will be held on February 2, 2011. 113
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Mr. Barker said City Council has passed the ordinance changes for outdoor displays and window 115 signs, banner displays, special events signs, and portable signs. He said they will be putting all of 116 the information into a letter to send to the businesses. He said he suspects there might be some 117 enforcement issues with banners. He said he has seen many banners put up and left as permanent 118 signage. He said Code Enforcement is almost ready to enforce that. He said zoning enforcement 119 will be under the civil side rather than the criminal side. He said it will go through our Justice 120 Court system under the Civil Court, instead of having a different judge to do that. He said once 121 people see that the City is utilizing that type of system he thinks there will not be too many 122 violations. He added that Civil Court is much easier because the rules of criminal evidence don’t 123 apply. He said they will be giving a “fix-it-ticket”. The Code Enforcement Officer will write a 124 ticket that gives a person 10 days to fix the violation. 125
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Mr. Maynard asked if the Code Enforcement Officer will help them come into compliance. Mr. 127 Barker replied yes. Mr. Dickie said these are some pretty big changes. Mr. Hulme said they 128 should call it a recommendation for compliance. Mr. Maynard said he hopes the Code 129 Enforcement Officer would have the form that needs to be filled out; help them fill it out and 130 brings it in to be filed. Mr. Barker said he isn’t sure they will be able to do that because the 131 Building Inspector also is the Code Enforcement Officer. Mr. Dickie said they do keep him busy. 132 Mr. Hulme said that he can certainly provide contact information. Mr. Barker replied yes. Mr. 133 Dickie said the City has taken large measures to make it easier for both the business owners and 134 the City. Mr. Barker said their goal isn’t to punish people but keep the City looking nice. Mr. 135 Maynard asked if the Committee can see the letter before they hand it out to anyone. Mr. Barker 136 replied yes. 137
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Mr. Maynard asked if they have addressed vehicle parking yet. Mr. Barker replied no. He said he 139 doesn’t know what kind of trailer Mr. Maynard has, but it looks like a travel trailer and he cannot 140
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store a travel trailer in his parking lot. Mr. Barker said travel trailers must be stored in specific 141 areas and that doesn’t include parking lots, streets, or on the grass. Mr. Maynard asked where he 142 is allowed to store it. Mr. Barker said most people store their travel trailers at their home or in a 143 storage unit. Mr. Dickie said they are not getting into that right now. 144
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Mr. Dickie clarified that the amended sign ordinance is being brought to the Economic 146 Development Committee first, and then it will be sent to the Planning Commission. Mr. Barker 147 replied yes and staff is working on adding some sign graphics to it. Mr. Dickie asked if it will be 148 on the agenda for the January 19, 2011 meeting. Mr. Barker replied no it will be on the February 149 2, 2011 meeting. 150
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Mr. Dickie said the January 19, 2011 meeting should be pretty interesting. Mr. Barker explained 152 that the Planning Commission has completed a lot with the entertainment overlay zone. He said 153 they have already mapped the area and created a list of uses in the underlying zone. He said Carl 154 Cook from the Boyer Company will be attending the meeting to speak with the Commission 155 about the entertainment overlay zone. Mr. Barker said they have begun to put standards in place. 156 Mr. Barker explained that the overlay zone will include the south end of the City boundary all 157 the way up to the King’s Shopping Plaza. He said that they are looking at creating different 158 standards for parking, building, lighting, etc. 159
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Mr. Dickie said this group has made a lot of changes in the City’s ordinances. He said he cannot 161 believe how quickly they have changed things. Mr. Barker said the Planning Commission has 162 been reviewing a lot of ordinances. He said that they are working on the building height 163 regulations right now. He said they are also proposing changes to allow chickens in all zones. 164 Mr. Dickie said not only has the Planning Commission been reviewing the ones that they have 165 been addressing they have been going through a lot of other ordinances. 166
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Mr. Maynard asked if they could look at the second page of the sign ordinance. Mr. Maynard 168 said it is unclear. He said it is written to sound like the maximum height will be 20 feet even for 169 unique signs. He said they agreed if someone wants to make a unique sign they have the ability 170 to make it giant because the sign is unique. Mr. Hulme said those numbers do not refer to the 171 unique signs. Mr. Maynard said it looks like it does and fears that later there will be an 172 interpretation issue. Commission Hulme said it says the sign height and area will be determined 173 by the Planning Commission. Mr. Maynard said it seems to say the maximum is 20 feet in 174 height. Mr. Barker said they can clarify that. He said they can add that it is permitted by 175 conditional use permit. Commission Hulme said they can take those two lines and put them 176 below number seven on the ordinance. Commissioner Hulme said he likes the language on the 177 cladding and manmade materials. Mr. Dickie asked if there are any other questions or concerns. 178
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Mrs. Thomas explained that they have a copy of the suggested changes made by Mayor Harris. 182
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Mrs. Jones moved to approve the minutes of the December 7, 2010 with Mayor Harris’s 184 suggested changes. Mr. Brewer seconded the motion. 185
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Mr. Taylor said he will be available the first, second, or fourth week of February. The 193 Commission agreed on the first Tuesday the 1st at 5:30pm. 194
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Mrs. Jones said the North View Business Alliance has changed their name to North Ogden 198 Business Alliance. Mr. Dickie said that should help out a lot. Mrs. Jones said most of the 199 clientele comes from North Ogden. Mrs. Jones said they will have more pull with the City 200 behind them. She said it should help everybody. 201
Mr. Dickie asked if there are any other comments from the Committee. Mr. Taylor asked if they 202 could come up with a catchy name for the GovQA. Mr. Dickie said he agrees and thinks the 203 Committee should start thinking about an alternative to the ShopQA icon. Mr. Hulme asked if 204 they can get some screen captures of other cities that are using the ShopQA. Mr. Barker said that 205 another city uses a shopping cart that was on fire. Mr. Dickie said this group can come with 206 suggestions and Mrs. Thomas can find out if they have to use the ShopQA logo. Mr. Hulme 207 suggested using a shopping cart with hiking boots and a stick. Mrs. Jones said the problem with 208 using a shopping cart is that most people think they can spend their money right there. Mrs. 209 Jones said it may be better to use the Spend It in North Ogden. Mr. Dickie turned the meeting 210 over to Mayor Harris at 6:09 pm. 211
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Mayor Harris asked if there are any other comments. Mr. Maynard asked if there is an agenda for 213 next meeting. He said they have a couple of things that have been tabled. Mayor Harris asked 214 what items those are. Mr. Maynard replied that they have not finished vehicle signs and where 215 travel trailers can be parked. He said that should be included on the next agenda. Mr. Dickie said 216 they need to also include an update from Council Member Taylor. He said they can also talk 217 about the GovQA and any updates from the Planning Commission. 218
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Mr. Maynard asked when they were going to have a budget meeting that will allocate funds to 220 the Economic Development Committee. Mayor Harris said they are just starting the process. He 221 said they will have an all-day retreat sometime in February. Mayor Harris said they will have 222 public hearings as they go through that process and it will be adopted in June. Mr. Maynard 223 asked about the disproportionate fees and where those funds are going. Mr. Dickie said that is up 224 to Council to decide where that money goes. Mr. Maynard asked if there is going to be a time 225 when they will be able to talk about programs. Mayor Harris asked if that will be an agenda item 226 for next time. Mr. Maynard asked if it would be appropriate. Mayor Harris replied yes it will be 227 appropriate to discuss it at the next meeting. Mr. Maynard asked if they can get the list of what 228 they came up with during their brainstorming session. Mr. Taylor said it will be a good time to 229 discuss that because they will have the report on the survey back from Weber State University 230 and will have a really good idea of what the residents want. 231
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Mrs. Jones said she found a blog written by a family in Seattle who has committed to shopping 233 locally for an entire year. She said the woman even researched where to buy gas. She said the 234
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woman writes about their experiences with the local businesses. She said the woman also 235 provides information and a link to the businesses. She said it encourages people to shop locally. 236 Mr. Dickie said it probably would be inconvenient at first but after you get into the groove it’s 237 probably not that hard. Mrs. Jones said the is onelocalfamil She said that it would be 238 neat if they could find a family in our community that would commit to doing that and to write 239 about it. She said they could put it on the City website. Mr. Dickie said more people are trying to 240 shop local. He said that he has noticed even Starbucks is buying small corner coffee shops and 241 not putting up their big logo signs. Mrs. Jones said she found the website through Shop Local 242 Utah. She said the website provides a graph on how much money stays in the community and 243 how much goes out. 244
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NorthOgdenCity The Business Development Committee consists of the Mayor, 2 City Council members, 2 Planning Commission members, 2 Business leader/residents, 3 North Ogden business owners, 2 Community members and City Staff including the City Manager, Community Development Director and City Attorney.  This committee does not have a set schedule but generally meets on the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays of the month at 5:30pm in the City Council Chambers.

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NORTH OGDEN PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING MINUTES
September 15, 2010
The North Ogden Planning Commission convened in a regular meeting on September 15, 2010 at 6 pm in the North Ogden City Municipal Building, 505 E. 2600 N. North Ogden, Utah.
COMMISSIONERS:
Jon Bingham Chairman
Joan Brown Commissioner
Bruce Catanzaro Commissioner
Ken Kiser Commissioner
Steve Quinney Commissioner
David Hulme Commissioner
Allan Dalpias Commissioner
STAFF:
Craig Barker Community Development Director
Sue Richey Deputy City Recorder
VISITORS:
REGULAR MEETING
Chairman Bingham called the regular meeting to order at 6:00 pm. Commissioner Catanzaro offered the invocation and led the audience in the Pledge of Allegiance.
1- CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION TO APPROVE A RESIDENTIAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A LIGHT AUTO REPAIR SHOP TO BE LOCATED AT 3590 NORTH 575 EAST.
Craig Barker began the discussion on this item by reminding the Planning Commission that a public hearing had been held at their last meeting and they had received about 30 comments from residents. The Planning Commission Members had also received a letter from the City Attorney discussing conditional uses and providing cautions about being influenced by public clamor. He said it is not a reason to approve or deny an application. Mr. Barker also reminded those in attendance that there is a window of time when those who are affected by the Planning Commission’s decision can make an appeal to the City Council (Appeal Authority). The request for an appeal must be filed within 14 days from the date of the decision.
Mr. Barker said he would not recommend opening up the meeting for another Public Hearing, there is no requirement to do so. He said Commission Members may ask for additional information and there
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doesn’t have to be a decision made tonight if they need additional clarification. Craig Barker said he could provide information from the LUDMA law detailing when a conditional use can be approved, when they shouldn’t be approved and other information that may be helpful in making a decision. Mr. Barker said the Planning Commission could impose other reasonable conditions on the applicant that would mitigate any adverse consequences that might result from the approval of the conditional use permit. If the consequences can’t be mitigated then the Planning Commission doesn’t have to approve the application.
Commissioner Quinney asked about additional letters sent in response to this application. He said he would like to see those because they would add additional information. Mr. Barker said none of the authors of those letters wanted them released to public view. Chairman Bingham explained the process for considering the application for a conditional use permit. Mr. Barker filled in with more information using the example of noise problems; if it can’t be mitigated to a point where it is reasonable the application would not be approved. He reminded the Commissioners that there had been some concerns expressed during the Public Hearing about noise, traffic flow, vehicles blocking the sidewalks and testing vehicles on the public street at excessive speed.
Commissioner Catanzaro said based on what he read from the ordinance there is only one area where there is a question; the safety, health and welfare (noise and noxious fumes) of the location. He read from City Code that states these products of the business must not emanate beyond the confines of that business. He said if they are limited to the premises then the owner would not be in violation. Commissioner Brown said one of the residents who testified during the Public Hearing said he had never experienced contamination concerns from Mr. Bagley’s business.
Chairman Bingham asked if the permit was approved what would prevent the applicant from expanding his business. Commissioner Dalpias said that could be one of the requirements for approval of the conditional use permit. Commissioner Hulme said the Commission could also limit the number of cars at the business to only two, one being worked on and one waiting for repair or pickup. Mr. Barker said he would recommend doing that but he would also suggest limiting it to one car a time with no others on site until the first one is gone. Chairman Bingham said he would agree with that suggestion. The applicant has indicated he only works on about three cars a week so it wouldn’t inconvenience him. Commissioner Hulme said he doesn’t have a problem with two; one in the garage with one in the driveway. Commissioner Kiser said he felt the same way, that arrangement would not be a problem.
Commissioner Hulme said in regard to the noise issue the Planning Commission could require the owner to keep the garage door closed at all times. The other Commission Members agreed. Chairman Bingham asked the Commission if there were other issues that need to be discussed. Commissioner Hulme said there was conflicting testimony on whether there were other vehicles parked on the sidewalk. He suggested requiring that cars be prevented from parking at any time in a way that would obstruct the sidewalk. Chairman Bingham said he would support that condition. Commissioner Hulme also suggested that in addition to keeping vehicles off the sidewalk, the owner must obey all traffic laws while testing the performance of the repaired cars.
Mr. Baker said there were a number of people who expressed the concern that this would turn the area into a commercial zone when it is zoned residential. It was their expectation when they bought their homes that the area would remain residential . Mr. Barker said the current Zoning Ordinance allows a homeowner to have a business in the garage with a conditional use permit. He said he doesn’t know if
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this activity would impact the property values of the surrounding homes. Commissioner Hulme said the Planning Commission is working under existing law. However we can have requests to change that if residents want that. Chairman Bingham said the Planning Commission had a similar situation they approved about a year ago. It was very unobtrusive. Commissioner Brown said she drove by the applicant’s home and the auto repair was very low key.
Commissioner Kiser said he would like to stipulate that this permit come before the Planning Commission for approval each year. Mr. Barker said he thought that was a good idea. There are some daycares with conditional use permits that are reviewed each year because that requirement is included in the ordinance. Commissioner Dalpias asked if the Zoning Ordinance were amended would this business be grandfathered in. Mr. Barker said yes and that status remains as is unless you give up a grandfathered operation for a year or more then it would be lost. Commissioner Quinney asked if the owner had any storage building and how were they used? Mr. Bagley said he doesn’t have any storage sheds.
Commissioner Hulme moved to approve a residential Conditional Use Permit application for a light auto repair shop to be located at 3590 North 575 East with the following conditions: noise generating repairs require garage door to be closed, no more than two vehicles for repair, one active and one waiting for repair or waiting for pickup, no vehicles at the premises may be parked so as to obstruct the sidewalk, all applicable traffic laws must be followed when conducting test drives and this permit will be reviewed annually for renewal. Commissioner Dalpias seconded the motion.
Discussion: Mr. Barker said he had one item that needs to be clarified. The vehicle waiting can’t be parked on a public street.
Commissioner Hulme amended his motion to include the condition that the one car waiting either for repair or waiting to be picked up must be in the driveway. Commissioner Dalpias seconded the motion.
Voting on the motion:
Allan Dalpias yes
Steve Quinney yes
Ken Kiser yes
Joan Brown yes
Bruce Catanzaro yes
Dave Hulme yes
Jon Bingham yes
Motion passes.
Mr. Barker said as a reminder if there is anyone who does not agree with the decision, there is an appeal process. They must file their appeal within fourteen days of this hearing. It must be a written appeal with the reason stated for their appeal and must be addressed to the Appeal Authority/City Council.
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2- DISCUSSION REGARDING SECTION 11-16-1 OF THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING HOME OCCUPATIONS.
Mr. Barker said this item is in response to a request made by Mayor Harris to have the Planning Commission go through the City’s Zoning Ordinance and correct any unclear, archaic or contradictory language contained there. He said the Commission would be looking at the section on Home Occupations contained in the Zoning Ordinance. Mr. Barker had given each Member a sheet with the ordinance showing suggested language changes for some areas. He said these are suggestions to promote discussion on this item. There is also an additional section proposed that would deal with the sale of merchandise such as Tupperware, Mary Kay products, Avon, etc. Mr. Barker said with these suggestions he was attempting to clarify the wording in certain sections that has created misunderstandings or conflicts with residents. The proposed language for paragraph D under Title 11, Chapter 16, Section I would limit a home occupation to the living quarters of the dwelling unit and prohibit the use of an attached or detached garage for a business location. Mr. Barker said North Ogden is one of very few cities that allow the use of the garage for a business.
Commissioner Catanzaro said he doesn’t agree with this change. He said he has a neighbor that uses their garage for making craft items that they sell at fairs. Commissioner Brown said she also supports Commissioner Catanzaro’s opinion. Chairman Bingham said Commission Members need to look at what the home occupation is. If the City allows a garage to be used; what if it becomes is a storage facility from which to ship products. Mr. Barker said vending machine businesses do this. He said North Ogden is one of the few cities that allow its residents to use their garage for a home occupation.
Commissioner Hulme said where the ordinance requires a conditional use permit to have a business in the garage, it allows people to come in and work with the City rather than hide their activities. This requirement gives the Planning Commission a chance to educate residents about what the City requires and allows. The Commission Members indicated they wanted the wording to remain the same in paragraph D. Commission Members did want to delete the second sentence that reads “Home occupations may be permitted in the garage of a house by conditional use permit only.” They also wanted to reword the first sentence to “A home occupation must be conducted entirely within the living quarters of the dwelling unit unless a conditional use permit is issued for a garage.”
Mr. Barker cautioned the Planning Commission about possible abuses. In approving a conditional use permit the Planning Commission must be sure to require the owner to have sufficient parking so the business doesn’t encroach on neighbors. If this isn’t done it can change to some extent the residential character of a neighborhood. Chairman Bingham asked when a business becomes commercial in nature to where it needs to be moved to a commercial area in the City. Commissioner Hulme said that is why he supports the suggested changes to Paragraph E of Section 1 “Home Occupations”. The proposed wording states, “Retail sales on the premises are not permitted. Catalog sales, Internet sales and similar types of sales are permitted if the product is drop shipped from the order warehouse to the buyer’s home.” Mr. Barker said the original wording was unclear. There is no warehousing or deliveries taking place in this residential area. This limits the effect the business has on the neighborhood.
Mr. Barker then directed the Commission to the new section being proposed. Section N deals with sales parties; he then read the proposed wording, “Sales of Tupperware, Mary Kay products, Avon, etc. are permitted if sales are made at the buyer’s home or ordered by catalog or Internet or at sales parties. Merchandise must be delivered to the buyers by the seller and not picked up at the seller’s home.”
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Chairman Bingham asked if the names of specific companies could be eliminated. Mr. Barker said he would talk with the City Attorney about what wording could be used to identify products or categories covered by this section. Commissioner Hulme suggested identifying these businesses as specialties such as kitchenware, candles, cosmetics, etc.
Commissioner Brown brought up Girl Scout cookies; we need to be careful not to have too big an impact on community-oriented activities. Craig Barker said he is sure circumstances will come up that are unexpected. He isn’t sure that Girl Scout cookies fall under this category where it only runs for a short-time. Mr. Barker asked if people who are sponsoring these parties should have a business license from the City. Commissioner Catanzaro said that is a good question. He said there are probably people doing a home occupation without a business license. Chairman Bingham said maybe the City should look at raising the $500 limit that requires a business license for any amount over that which is earned by a business in a year. He said the real determining factor is if a business activity in a residential neighborhood becomes so intrusive that the neighbors complain to the City. At that point the City can require the homeowner to get a business license.
Craig Barker asked about the other proposed changes in the chapter. The Planning Commissioners said yes. Commissioner Kiser, referring to Paragraph F. suggested replacing the word “fruit” with the word “produce.” Commissioner Quinney asked if in paragraph E. the term retail sales could be defined as to what that means. Mr. Barker said retail sales to him means an activity where sales tax is collected. Commissioner Catanzaro said it is also where you order a product and then resell it; that is a retail sale. Mr. Barker said retail sales are not allowed as a home occupation. Commissioner Catanzaro asked about Tupperware parties, Mr. Barker referred to Section N. Commissioner Hulme suggested adding wording to pragraph E that states,” except as allowed under paragraph N”, just so it is clear. Otherwise there is a contradiction between paragraph E and paragraph N. The other Commissioners agreed.
Commissioner Hulme said he had suggested language for paragraph N. “Sales of specialty products such as kitchenware, candles, cosmetics, or similarly branded items intended primarily for home sales.” He also pointed out the misspelling of merchandise. Mr. Barker said the revised version would be brought back to the Planning Commission at their next meeting.
3. CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 1, 2010 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.
Chairman Bingham pointed out that the sentence on line 65 and 66 didn’t make sense. Commissioner Hulme suggested starting a new paragraph at the beginning of that sentence and then adding the wording “what the Commissioners should be aware of is that there are a number of people here...” Commissioner Brown also said there is a misspelled word somewhere in the document.
Commissioner Catanzaro moved to approve the minutes of the September 1, 2010 Planning Commission meeting as amended. Commissioner Brown seconded the motion.
Voting on the motion:
Allan Dalpias yes
Steve Quinney yes
Ken Kiser yes
Joan Brown yes
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Bruce Catanzaro yes
Dave Hulme yes
Jon Bingham yes
Motion passes.
4. PUBLIC COMMENT.
Loren Baguley, 3590 North 575 East, said she wanted to publicly thank the Commission for their careful approach and consideration of their application. She said she felt the Commissioners were very fair-minded and without bias. Her husband can now continue to make a living; they will abide by all the conditions.
Craig Barker reviewed his handout from the Business Development Committee (BDC). He said the Committee is recommending the creation of an entertainment zone. He said they discussed an overlay zone which may just be in certain areas of the City. It would cover movie theaters, bowling alleys, and businesses similar to Fat Cats. The proposed zone would allow businesses engaged in entertainment to increase their sign size so they are better able to advertise their activities. Currently this would only affect one business. The owner of this business is asking for this change to be made as soon as possible.
Mr. Barker encouraged the Planning Commission Members to read the minutes of the BDC meeting to get a feel for what the Committee is recommending. The recommendation would use the building frontage to determine size of sign. Mr. Walker, of Walker Theaters, wants to put up a sign similar to what he has in Perry. If he were allowed the bigger free-standing sign, he would take down the sign on the theater. Mr. Barker said this would be coming to the Planning Commission for discussion and action. Mr. Barker said the BDC is also beginning to discuss other types of signage in the City. They will be addressing the issue of larger signs for other commercial businesses.
Commissioner Brown asked where other businesses could locate near the theater? Mr. Barker said there are 5 acres behind the theater area. Commissioner Hulme said 1550 North will also be coming through to Washington Boulevard as is indicated on the Master Plan. Commissioners Catanzaro and Hulme explained the points of the discussion, indicating that the hope is with a successful movie theater other businesses such as restaurants and other entertainment venues will also be attracted to that area. Chairman Bingham said there is plenty of area for parking when Commissioner Brown asked about that potential issue.
Chairman Bingham suggested that the BDC indicate the proposed areas of the commercial zone that would be overlaid for an entertainment zone. Mr. Barker asked Commission Members to think about areas that would be desirable for the entertainment zone. Commissioner Catanzaro said there has been a lot of discussion on how the City generates its taxable income and how to optimize the commercial areas in North Ogden to generate more taxable revenue in order to reduce what the City requires in property tax revenue. The discussions support allowing larger signs for the entertainment zones. Commissioner Hulme said the thought is that the theater needs a better tool for advertising itself. However, the Committee doesn’t want to make that change apply to the City’s entire commercial zone. Proposing the overlay entertainment zone is a way to allow Walker to advertise and also accommodate efforts to make the City an attractive and pleasant place to live.
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Commissioner Brown said she would like to suggest that a marquee be designed for the North Ogden Theater that is more attractive than the one up in Perry. Chairman Bingham said maybe the Planning Commission should consider having design standards for signs.
Commissioner Brown asked about the area where Kings used to be. She asked if the City could approach the owners of this area and discuss possible opportunities for redevelopment. Mr. Barker said the land is owned by at least six people. This was done so each business had a minimum frontage for their businesses. He said he would like to send an invitation the owners to come to the BDC meeting to discuss possibilities for economic development. Mr. Barker said City already has a RDA, which can purchase land at fair market value and then resell to a developer. Commissioner Hulme said it can also be handled so ownership remains private and the City just facilitates the development. Commissioner Catanzaro briefly described the process.
Commissioner Brown asked if the City could approach Smith’s about plans for their area. She said what they decide could impact what the City would propose doing with other areas. She also asked about the Boyer development? Mr. Barker said they are very close and need only one more tenant. Commissioner Brown asked about the City Council’s support for allowing liquor by the drink for wine and beer. Mr. Barker said zoning wouldn’t be a hindrance and the City Council indicated their support for this.
Commissioner Hulme read an article called “Cabbagegate”, a homeowner was fined for growing and selling cabbage on his residential property. Commissioner Hulme said there is a fine line between commercial activity and homeowner activity. He said the Planning Commission needs to make sure it completely legitimizes agricultural activity that is someone’s garden.
Commissioner Quinney said the City needs more manufacturing areas and asked how the City can annex land for this. Mr. Barker said the General Plan doesn’t have any zoning for manufacturing areas. The only area that is currently designated “manufacturing” is where the storage units are being built. He said he thought the decision was made some time ago that North Ogden wouldn’t be a manufacturing center. Mr. Barker said there is going to be an update of the General Plan and this can be discussed. Commissioner Hulme asked why Commissioner Quinney wanted to include manufacturing areas in the City. Commissioner Hulme said this had been discussed during a BDC meeting and it was decided that manufacturing wouldn’t bring in as much revenue per square foot as retail would. Commissioner Quinney said manufacturing is the foundation for a community. These are the businesses that provide jobs and over the last forty years this sector has declined. Commissioner Hulme said manufacturing areas are typically located along interstates and railway corridors, largely because people don’t like to build homes next to them. North Ogden doesn’t have these areas. North Ogden City is very similar to Huntsville. Manufacturing isn’t a good fit because our commercial zone is very close to residential zoning. Commissioner Catanzaro said there are areas in adjacent communities that are suitable for manufacturing, such as Pleasant View up by the Front Runner tracks. Commissioner Quinney said the reason he brought it up is because it has never been discussed and he has been involved in it. He said if the City doesn’t have a desire to do it then he won’t bring it up again. Mr. Barker said Council Member Taylor is working on an economic development plan and he has a Vision Statement that talks about North Ogden being a thriving retail district surrounded by a quiet bedroom community. He said the BDC will be taking this up in its next few meetings as to whether that is the vision statement they want for North Ogden. This statement will drive future economic development plans. Commissioner Hulme gave the example of Peterson Manufacturing out
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in Farr West. It was built along a busy highway on a large area of ground and the owner still got complaints. Commissioner Hulme said he wondered in a City, like North Ogden, that is so built up if there is really any room for a manufacturing area.
5. ADJOURNMENT.
Commissioner Quinney moved to adjourn the meeting. Commissioner Brown seconded the motion.
Voting on the motion:
Allan Dalpias yes
Steve Quinney yes
Ken Kiser yes
Joan Brown yes
Bruce Catanzaro yes
Dave Hulme yes
Jon Bingham yes
Motion passes.
Meeting adjourned at 7:25 pm.
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Date approved.